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		<title>By: VJ</title>
		<link>http://singlemomseeking.com/blog/2008/03/so-what-if-jamie-lynn-spears-doesnt-get-married/comment-page-1/#comment-1256</link>
		<dc:creator>VJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 09:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to inject any unneeded controversy here, but it&#039;s entirely possible that the father of Jamie Lynn Spears&#039; fetus is not the current BF, but a much older man. That was part of the rumor mill when it was &#039;discovered&#039; back when.

And no, we don&#039;t need more battles between single moms &amp; married moms. This has been going on since time immemorial. And we&#039;re just barely getting better at it with the use and wide spread acceptance and availability of modern contraception. Amazingly, the US is still the worst at this of all Western industrialized countries. 

So it&#039;s not a new phenomenon or  &#039;problem&#039;, and yes, it&#039;s intimately tied to many things in society, including the economy and the prospects for men to be able to contribute to the support of their children &amp; families.  But no one ever thinks about that much. Everyone&#039;s just fixated on the sex &amp; &#039;underage&#039; teens angle &amp; the finger wagging goodness we feel inside by imagining ourselves as somehow superior, to those poor dears right? Cheers, &#039;VJ&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to inject any unneeded controversy here, but it&#8217;s entirely possible that the father of Jamie Lynn Spears&#8217; fetus is not the current BF, but a much older man. That was part of the rumor mill when it was &#8216;discovered&#8217; back when.</p>
<p>And no, we don&#8217;t need more battles between single moms &amp; married moms. This has been going on since time immemorial. And we&#8217;re just barely getting better at it with the use and wide spread acceptance and availability of modern contraception. Amazingly, the US is still the worst at this of all Western industrialized countries. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not a new phenomenon or  &#8216;problem&#8217;, and yes, it&#8217;s intimately tied to many things in society, including the economy and the prospects for men to be able to contribute to the support of their children &amp; families.  But no one ever thinks about that much. Everyone&#8217;s just fixated on the sex &amp; &#8216;underage&#8217; teens angle &amp; the finger wagging goodness we feel inside by imagining ourselves as somehow superior, to those poor dears right? Cheers, &#8216;VJ&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: mommypie</title>
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		<dc:creator>mommypie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 03:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually read the article before I read your post and it had my blood boiling. Obviously not a single parent, how dare this woman pass judgement on people she knows nothing about. Seriously. Walk a mile in my shoes and THEN talk to me about it. Broad generalizations in general are dangerous ground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually read the article before I read your post and it had my blood boiling. Obviously not a single parent, how dare this woman pass judgement on people she knows nothing about. Seriously. Walk a mile in my shoes and THEN talk to me about it. Broad generalizations in general are dangerous ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 04:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaime Lynn is hardly archetycal, if I may get back to the original question.  And, to move beyond anything I may think about her or her sister, hardly worth comment if it weren&#039;t for Ms. Yoffe.  This really gets back to the &quot;settle for&quot; discussion.  

In Ms. Spears economic position, why should she settle for the mysterious drunken lout who coupled with the outed drunken Jamie lout to inseminate and conceive  this (unfortunate?) child.  Jaime, you&#039;re on your own.

The question&#039;s answer transends all our particular preferences and beliefs.  It&#039;s none of our business if she chooses to bring this child into the world.  Good or bad, she can pay for it.  But, good or bad, what if she couldn&#039;t pay for it like the housekeeper at the local Holliday Inn?  What about the single woman with no education (or,celebrity, God help us all,) but who wants and loves her prospective child, first or second or fifth? What is her basis?

It is unfortunate that only the MOM has the ultimate right to choose, all else considered. What if the man, with the same indifference to marriage, but with the same commitment to parenthood, chooses to challenge the MOM prerogative.  Celebrity is the worst gage for depenibility.  If we&#039;re going to discuss this topic, let us get down to the least common demoninator.

When this happened to me in 1986, the decision was made for me.  The decision to do what we did was consensual, but the decision to &quot;take care of the consequences? was not.  Nontheless, I agreed to the abortion for the sake of the relationship.  

15 years later, my different pregnant girlfriend was desirous  of relationship but not willing to terminate the pregnancy.  And I?  With the possibility of finally having my own child/children?Hell no, absolutely not, over my dead body,&quot; etc.  I &quot;settled&quot; for the relationship (marriage)  as preferable to a single/mixed family.

Within 3 years the disharmony was evident.  And with a second son, I chose to make it work with two parents, no matter what.  So it goes, as Kurt would say.  Have the children been damaged?  Yes.  Do children need to see that all is not sweetness and bliss, and parents make it work in the long run?  Yes, as an ideal.

But to settle for marriage, children, security, convenience at the expense of stability and nurture?  No.  And, who is to know when our perceptions lead us the right way or the other?  Listen, Virginia, I don&#039;t know, and neither do you.

To be a single parent and say the most important thing is to be a single parent to this,my child, is fine.  But don&#039;t praise single parenthood if you regret dual parenthood and blame the lack of it for any or all your problems.  Praise single parenthood for what it can provide to the child/children.  Strive for dual (separate but equal) parenthood for what it can provide to the child/children.

If we settle, as an alternative to free choice (with all the aforementioned anticipated consequences) we will not accept our decision, regret our decision, and fail or be inwardly miserable.  

I&#039;ll take blind faith (now that all else has failed.)

Dr. J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaime Lynn is hardly archetycal, if I may get back to the original question.  And, to move beyond anything I may think about her or her sister, hardly worth comment if it weren&#8217;t for Ms. Yoffe.  This really gets back to the &#8220;settle for&#8221; discussion.  </p>
<p>In Ms. Spears economic position, why should she settle for the mysterious drunken lout who coupled with the outed drunken Jamie lout to inseminate and conceive  this (unfortunate?) child.  Jaime, you&#8217;re on your own.</p>
<p>The question&#8217;s answer transends all our particular preferences and beliefs.  It&#8217;s none of our business if she chooses to bring this child into the world.  Good or bad, she can pay for it.  But, good or bad, what if she couldn&#8217;t pay for it like the housekeeper at the local Holliday Inn?  What about the single woman with no education (or,celebrity, God help us all,) but who wants and loves her prospective child, first or second or fifth? What is her basis?</p>
<p>It is unfortunate that only the MOM has the ultimate right to choose, all else considered. What if the man, with the same indifference to marriage, but with the same commitment to parenthood, chooses to challenge the MOM prerogative.  Celebrity is the worst gage for depenibility.  If we&#8217;re going to discuss this topic, let us get down to the least common demoninator.</p>
<p>When this happened to me in 1986, the decision was made for me.  The decision to do what we did was consensual, but the decision to &#8220;take care of the consequences? was not.  Nontheless, I agreed to the abortion for the sake of the relationship.  </p>
<p>15 years later, my different pregnant girlfriend was desirous  of relationship but not willing to terminate the pregnancy.  And I?  With the possibility of finally having my own child/children?Hell no, absolutely not, over my dead body,&#8221; etc.  I &#8220;settled&#8221; for the relationship (marriage)  as preferable to a single/mixed family.</p>
<p>Within 3 years the disharmony was evident.  And with a second son, I chose to make it work with two parents, no matter what.  So it goes, as Kurt would say.  Have the children been damaged?  Yes.  Do children need to see that all is not sweetness and bliss, and parents make it work in the long run?  Yes, as an ideal.</p>
<p>But to settle for marriage, children, security, convenience at the expense of stability and nurture?  No.  And, who is to know when our perceptions lead us the right way or the other?  Listen, Virginia, I don&#8217;t know, and neither do you.</p>
<p>To be a single parent and say the most important thing is to be a single parent to this,my child, is fine.  But don&#8217;t praise single parenthood if you regret dual parenthood and blame the lack of it for any or all your problems.  Praise single parenthood for what it can provide to the child/children.  Strive for dual (separate but equal) parenthood for what it can provide to the child/children.</p>
<p>If we settle, as an alternative to free choice (with all the aforementioned anticipated consequences) we will not accept our decision, regret our decision, and fail or be inwardly miserable.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take blind faith (now that all else has failed.)</p>
<p>Dr. J</p>
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		<title>By: RandomEsq</title>
		<link>http://singlemomseeking.com/blog/2008/03/so-what-if-jamie-lynn-spears-doesnt-get-married/comment-page-1/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>RandomEsq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 05:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate any readers. But, please? Not to hear a man&#039;s point of view or anything like that - just to hear my experience, as an individual.

You&#039;re very kind.  -R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate any readers. But, please? Not to hear a man&#8217;s point of view or anything like that &#8211; just to hear my experience, as an individual.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re very kind.  -R.</p>
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		<title>By: singlemomseeking</title>
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		<dc:creator>singlemomseeking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random Esq: 
More reason to send single moms your way!  Or, is your plate too full? How many single moms can you handle?... Okay, that was a terrible joke. You seem to have a lot of female fans. 
Looking forward to hearing about your summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random Esq:<br />
More reason to send single moms your way!  Or, is your plate too full? How many single moms can you handle?&#8230; Okay, that was a terrible joke. You seem to have a lot of female fans.<br />
Looking forward to hearing about your summer.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomEsq</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandomEsq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 03:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found my journal from the summer and so, just for you, I&#039;m going to start a series called &quot;Excerpts from a summer.&quot;  I hadn&#039;t read it in a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found my journal from the summer and so, just for you, I&#8217;m going to start a series called &#8220;Excerpts from a summer.&#8221;  I hadn&#8217;t read it in a long time.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomEsq</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandomEsq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SingleMomSeeking, I can almost hear that ring of surprise in your voice.  Yes, me.  I studied biology and was planning to go to medical school before I decided that I wanted to go to law school, instead.  I decided to spend the summer doing volunteer work through a college program and did not choose where I went...it was chosen for me.  The only input I had was that it was related to the medical field.  Next thing I knew, I was standing in a pregnancy clinic and someone was shoving a baby in my arms. They told me I&#039;d be working in a pregnancy clinic but, I&#039;m ashamed to say, I never thought that I&#039;d be in contact with *babies*.  

 I may blog about that summer some day.  I went digging around for my journal from those months and have not found it yet - but really, my POV is only what it is and not representative of any group.  Truly.

What I remember most about that summer is not to bounce around an 18 month old too much.  And that they all eat 1) cheerios, 2) bologna, and 3) graham crackers.  And that single mothers deserve some godd*mn respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SingleMomSeeking, I can almost hear that ring of surprise in your voice.  Yes, me.  I studied biology and was planning to go to medical school before I decided that I wanted to go to law school, instead.  I decided to spend the summer doing volunteer work through a college program and did not choose where I went&#8230;it was chosen for me.  The only input I had was that it was related to the medical field.  Next thing I knew, I was standing in a pregnancy clinic and someone was shoving a baby in my arms. They told me I&#8217;d be working in a pregnancy clinic but, I&#8217;m ashamed to say, I never thought that I&#8217;d be in contact with *babies*.  </p>
<p> I may blog about that summer some day.  I went digging around for my journal from those months and have not found it yet &#8211; but really, my POV is only what it is and not representative of any group.  Truly.</p>
<p>What I remember most about that summer is not to bounce around an 18 month old too much.  And that they all eat 1) cheerios, 2) bologna, and 3) graham crackers.  And that single mothers deserve some godd*mn respect.</p>
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		<title>By: singlemomseeking</title>
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		<dc:creator>singlemomseeking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Random: You? A Lamaze coach? Please, please blog about that. I&#039;m serious. It&#039;s always good to hear a single man&#039;s POV. Thank you. 
Assumptions? Me? You&#039;re not going to let me live that one down, are you?

Ms. Single Mama: I&#039;m in full agreement with you about Knocked Up. Single moms, what did YOU think about the movie?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Random: You? A Lamaze coach? Please, please blog about that. I&#8217;m serious. It&#8217;s always good to hear a single man&#8217;s POV. Thank you.<br />
Assumptions? Me? You&#8217;re not going to let me live that one down, are you?</p>
<p>Ms. Single Mama: I&#8217;m in full agreement with you about Knocked Up. Single moms, what did YOU think about the movie?</p>
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		<title>By: elvagreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>elvagreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every mom has the opportunity to be single mom. Even the married one. So we can&#039;t scold single moms. I know lots of happy single moms on singleparentloving.com. Not every one is misforture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every mom has the opportunity to be single mom. Even the married one. So we can&#8217;t scold single moms. I know lots of happy single moms on singleparentloving.com. Not every one is misforture.</p>
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		<title>By: RandomEsq</title>
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		<dc:creator>RandomEsq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(continuation...I accidentally hit submit)...

It is ridiculous how I keep hearing, &quot;Jaime Spears got pregnant&quot; and I never hear about the guy that got her pregnant.  She didn&#039;t pick up the pregnant at the corner store.  I suppose some of that frustration is both with the media and the society in general which seem so comfortable pointing a finger at a woman who has sex but says nothing about a man who may spread sperm like it&#039;s grass seed.

I spent two months volunteering full time at a pregnancy center when I was 21.  I knew absolutely nothing about babies, mothers, birth, etc.  I gave pregnancy tests to teenagers and watched their babies while they went to parenting class.  I was a Lamaze coach and witnessed a birth.  And you know what someone (someone I like and respect and know meant no harm in it) asked me when I said my sister gave birth a few weeks ago?  They asked if I would learn how to change a diaper now.  Most of the time no one means anything by it and maybe it is a safe assumption sometimes - but it still makes me want to sigh and say, &quot;You know, I&#039;m not who you have in your head.&quot;

Anyway.  Interesting post, SingleMomSeeking.  Thought provoking. 

-R.</description>
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<p>It is ridiculous how I keep hearing, &#8220;Jaime Spears got pregnant&#8221; and I never hear about the guy that got her pregnant.  She didn&#8217;t pick up the pregnant at the corner store.  I suppose some of that frustration is both with the media and the society in general which seem so comfortable pointing a finger at a woman who has sex but says nothing about a man who may spread sperm like it&#8217;s grass seed.</p>
<p>I spent two months volunteering full time at a pregnancy center when I was 21.  I knew absolutely nothing about babies, mothers, birth, etc.  I gave pregnancy tests to teenagers and watched their babies while they went to parenting class.  I was a Lamaze coach and witnessed a birth.  And you know what someone (someone I like and respect and know meant no harm in it) asked me when I said my sister gave birth a few weeks ago?  They asked if I would learn how to change a diaper now.  Most of the time no one means anything by it and maybe it is a safe assumption sometimes &#8211; but it still makes me want to sigh and say, &#8220;You know, I&#8217;m not who you have in your head.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway.  Interesting post, SingleMomSeeking.  Thought provoking. </p>
<p>-R.</p>
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